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posted on 7-22-2010 at 03:46 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Post-OGLpocalypse.

So, as far as I can tell (and for the sake of simplifying threads), the consensus is to ditch this league, and possibly start/forcibly overthrow another league with those who wish to continue in the OGL spirit.

Is that the consensus? (I'm guessing we've got Tim, Derek, myself, Daren, Aaron, and maybe Jughead onboard?)





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posted on 7-22-2010 at 03:55 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Yes. I would prefer to try a salary thing, myself, and possibly with more injuries.





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posted on 7-22-2010 at 04:00 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
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Yes. I would prefer to try a salary thing, myself, and possibly with more injuries.


If we are going salary, with more injuries (anything to change it up), I'd like to be in as well.

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posted on 7-22-2010 at 04:03 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Put me down as a solid maybe - particularly if we try throwing the whole bag of systems at it.





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1957 NL Champions 117 Wins , 1958 NL Wildcard 116 Wins , 1959 WS Champions 122 Wins , 1960 WS Champions 118 Wins , 1961 NL Wildcard 102 Wins , 1962 NL Wildcard 100 Wins , 1963 NL Champions 105 Wins , 1964 WS Champions 104 Wins , 1965 Tie - NL Pennant 97 Wins , 1966 Tie - NL Pennant 103 Wins , 1967 WS Champions 100 Wins , 1968 NL Wildcard 106 Wins , 1969 WS Champions 112 Wins , 1970 NL Wildcard 112 Wins , 1971 WS Champions, 1972 - NL Pennant, 1973 - NL Champions, 1974 - NL Pennant

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posted on 7-22-2010 at 04:10 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
A salary thing sounds good. Have they automated it yet?





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http://www.simdynasty.com/images/was116.gif Washington DC Metropolitans-TSL:
Replace'74; Playoffs:'78-'80,'81,'84-'86,'88-'92; Titles:'82,'83,'87http://www.simdynasty.com/images/trophy.gifhttp://www.simdynasty.com/images/trophy.gifhttp://www.simdynasty.com/images/trophy.gif
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http://www.simdynasty.com/images/nya716.gif New York Yankees-MVL:
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http://www.simdynasty.com/images/nya716.gif New York Technopolitans-OVL:
Founder 1950; Playoffs:'55-'57, '59, '60, '62; Titles:'58, '61, '63http://www.simdynasty.com/images/trophy.gifhttp://www.simdynasty.com/images/trophy.gifhttp://www.simdynasty.com/images/trophy.gif
http://www.simdynasty.com/images/nyn416.gif New York Technopolitans-HRBL: Founder '50; Playoffs:'51,'52,'57-'59,'62,'64,'65; Titles:'54-'56,'66http://www.simdynasty.com/images/trophy.gifhttp://www.simdynasty.com/images/trophy.gifhttp://www.simdynasty.com/images/trophy.gifhttp://www.simdynasty.com/images/trophy.gif
http://www.simdynasty.com/images/nyn116.gif New York Technopolitans-USL:
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http://www.simdynasty.com/images/bal516.gif Baltimore Monarchs-RKL:
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posted on 7-22-2010 at 04:11 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Automated salaries would give me pause and consider jumping in for more guffaws, but only a little.





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posted on 7-22-2010 at 04:12 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Most of it is automated now, if not all.





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Hmm, that does tickle my pants a bit, I guess...





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posted on 7-22-2010 at 04:21 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
we can do salary.

we can do injuries.

system 3, no way, count me out.

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posted on 7-22-2010 at 04:23 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I believe there's a System Four. Geared for 25 men in the minors. Talk about ridiculous.





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posted on 7-22-2010 at 04:30 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
NO I DO THAT IN BETA WE ARE NOT DOING THAT EITHER BECAUSE IT IS EVEN MORE STUPID.

(if we do a league, we are going to motherfucking trade ok? bottom line. we are going to trade. we are not going to sit on our hands and tend our dopey prospect farms. at least i am not.)

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posted on 7-22-2010 at 04:31 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I'm all for the guffaws, but I can do without the trading teams back and forth. If we do this, could we keep it somewhat legit, even if only for a little while?
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posted on 7-22-2010 at 04:36 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
sure, it isn't the ogl. it will be a real league.

(i can undestand if folks want to do it system 3. i just can't do it. can totally compromise on anything else.)

(seriously, you just do the 20 point thing, and you do cp trading. this is actually the perfect development system. it develops just the right amount of players, gives teams that want to trade picks and compete something else to trade [spots in the minors] and promotes more player movement and trading overall. if you're concerned about all out tanking, we can have a lottery, no problem. but not this dopey thing we do now with the minor league. i will personally adminster, oversee, and keep track of the cp trading thing. all above board and in the open. daniel, of course, shall be allowed to do whatever he likes in this league, because he is wondermous.)

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posted on 7-22-2010 at 04:38 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
It will be a more legit league with these extra features, we will be more inclined to try and compete.





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AL Pennant - 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1985, 1987, 1988, 1989, 2004, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2028, 2029, 2030, 2031, 2039, 2054, 2055, 2056, 2057, 2059, 2060
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posted on 7-22-2010 at 04:40 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
I am with Tim on the no system 3 thing. Tim knows what he is talking about.
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it sucks. it just motherfucking sucks, and i won't do it anymore.
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posted on 7-22-2010 at 04:43 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
One other question - are we doing a theme? I'd like the ability to do abe - generated without penalty, if so.
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i say we do themes if we want, and not if we don't want. every team can name their players whatever they like. no restrictions.

i can bring hayward, fake cardinalfarm, 13 maybe, corey, carl if he wants in to this league without doubt. it will fill up very fast.)

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Themes could be less restrictive. Anytime renaming is a must. I'll be doing a theme no matter what, others can decide if they want to/ if they want it to be a full theme league. But it should be.





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AL Pennant - 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1985, 1987, 1988, 1989, 2004, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2028, 2029, 2030, 2031, 2039, 2054, 2055, 2056, 2057, 2059, 2060
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posted on 7-22-2010 at 04:48 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
(no cardinalfarm, mitch, etc)





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AL Champions - 1964, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2027, 2029, 2030, 2036, 2037, 2038, 2039, 2040, 2054, 2055, 2056, 2058, 2061
AL Pennant - 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1985, 1987, 1988, 1989, 2004, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2028, 2029, 2030, 2031, 2039, 2054, 2055, 2056, 2057, 2059, 2060
World Champions - 1968, 1970, 1971, 1985, 1987, 2004, 2012, 2013, 2030, 2031, 2039, 2054, 2056, 2057, 2059, 2060
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posted on 7-22-2010 at 04:49 PM Edit Post Reply With Quote
Tim and I will be commissioners, plus one reliable guy, to balance it out. It will be a triumvirate, with like Deke as silly Crassus.





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Riflemen Team Page
AL Wild Card - 1966, 1967, 1971, 1983, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2015, 2028, 2031, 2032, 2034, 2053, 2057, 2059, 2060
AL Champions - 1964, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2027, 2029, 2030, 2036, 2037, 2038, 2039, 2040, 2054, 2055, 2056, 2058, 2061
AL Pennant - 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1985, 1987, 1988, 1989, 2004, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2028, 2029, 2030, 2031, 2039, 2054, 2055, 2056, 2057, 2059, 2060
World Champions - 1968, 1970, 1971, 1985, 1987, 2004, 2012, 2013, 2030, 2031, 2039, 2054, 2056, 2057, 2059, 2060
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Damn, my 'fucker' got MFCS censored. Shit.





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I can join the triumvirate, if need be.

I might do an all-Illini theme. Football and basketball players. That would have crossed over previous themes before, but I'm guessing that's in play not for the restart.

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