DwightKSchrute
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 07:59 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tm4559
if you can manage to behave your goddamn self, and not try to piss me off
all the time, yes. if you can follow those oh so simple guidelines.
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But dad I only ever wanted to make you proud!
The Career of a Beet Farmer
Die Kurzgeschichte
Gutes Nicken schlägt das gute Schlagen oder umgekehrt.
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Hamilton2
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 08:08 PM |
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If there is in fact a new league formed from the remains of this one, using
the suggested rules (system 2 minors, system 4 injuries, themes encouraged,
no lottery) then I would be willing to be part of it, perhaps even I would
be bold enough to write up the proposal/private league application and
serve as commissioner. If I am wanted.
-J
Philadelphia Hamiltonians (Catfish Hunter League)
Washington Hamiltonians (Vince Coleman League)
Brooklyn Hamiltonians (Sandy Amoros League)
New York Hamiltonians (Bob Horner League)
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barterer2002
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 08:10 PM |
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For those interested here's how the AML works the salary stuff.
There is a standard formula for younger players. We used the OS28 as the
cut off so anyone under OS28 is considered "younger" while those over are
older.
The younger player salaries are based on where a player was drafted, their
overall rating, their stats from the previous year, their career stats and
the number of years since drafted. Essentially you're going to find that
all your minor league players will get a raise each year and their salaries
will typically run from less than 500K to about 3M.
Players become free agents on the later date of when they are out of
options or they have completed their OS28 season.
In the AML we have 4 days for bidding on Day 1 each player will have a 25%
chance of signing, on day 2 50%, day 3 75% and on day 4 anyone who gets an
offer is signing. You do not have the ability to say I want to sign Player
A but only if I don't sign Player B. If you bid on both you might sign
both so be prepared. When more than one team bids on a player there is a
formula that determines where the player signs and this is based on
contract length, contract amount (the salary will be static so if you bid
8M/year it'll be 8M for as long as you bid). You will be responsible for
the salary of any player who retires so if you've signed a guy through
OS36 and he retires in OS34 you're still paying him for the next two
years. In our league you can only bid up to 2 years into decline.
The offseason takes 5 real life days. 4 days of bidding and one to get
your roster straight.
Cap is 80M so essentially you'll find that stud hitters will go in the
8-12M range while top pitchers go 12-16 (our record is 21M). You'll also
need to find some good 500K guys (league vet minimum). You also are
required to maintain an entire 40 man roster (so no dumping all the minor
league players to clear cap space). If you're carrying a blank space its
a 1M cap hit.
Deke and OBCF can fill in what I'm missing but I've been cutting wood and
burning it all morning and am in need of some hydration and a shower so
I'm off.
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max_fischer
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 08:16 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by barterer2002
I've been cutting wood and burning it all morning and am in need of some
hydration and a shower so I'm off. |
Euphemism alert
Detroit Dodecahedrons, Oscar Gamble League
1962-1997, overall record 3597-2236, averaging 99 wins/season
Best record: 133-29 (1976)
AL Wild Cards: 1969, 1972, 1975, 1988, 1992
AL Division Champions: 1970, 1971, 1973, 1974, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1990, 1993, 1995
AL Champions: 1972, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1990, 1995
World Series Champions: 1972, 1977, 1978, 1979
One no-hitter by OGL Hall-of-Famer Grandma Moses in 1970 and one in 1976
One playoff-clinching no-hitter in Game 162 by Bessie Lee Johnson in 1972; she threw another no-no in 1976 and one in 1977
Blanche Bouchard throws a no-hitter in 1977
Sen. Benjamin Wade throws a no-hitter in 1991
13 straight postseason appearances (1969-1981)
Milwaukee Beekeepers, Fred Lynn League
1956-1970, overall record: 1,523-889, averaging 101 wins/season.
Best record: 128-34 (1967)
NL Wild Cards: 1960
NL Division Champions: 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970
NL Champions: 1960, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1968, 1969, 1970
World Series Champions: 1960, 1965, 1966, 1970
One no-hitter and one perfect game by Dennis Hernandez in 1956
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tm4559
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 08:17 PM |
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all that is fine, the particualars don't really matter. has it been
automated now bryan?
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tm4559
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 08:18 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by max_fischer
| Quote: | Originally posted by barterer2002
I've been cutting wood and burning it all morning and am in need of some
hydration and a shower so I'm off. |
Euphemism alert |
man, jesus. just say the words. "i was jacking off." nobody will die.
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dirtdevil
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 08:18 PM |
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i think it is now. there was a point where some of the salaries for waiver
claims and such needed to be manually adjusted but i believe that's fixed
as of the 12th. the free agency period is completely automated, anyway.
St. Louis Gashouse Gang- Carl Yastrzemski League (1951 expansion)
1st NL: 1952, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 63, 64, 65, 66, 68, 69, 81, 82,
83, 84
NL Wildcard: 1961, 62, 67, 79
NL Champs: 1952, 54, 56, 57, 59, 64, 65, 68, 69, 83, 84
WS Champs: 1954, 56, 57, 68, 69, 84
Washington Boondoggles- Harmon Killebrew League (retired)
Lifetime record: 2486-1564 (.614)
25 seasons, 16 post-seasons, 7 LCS titles, 3 WS titles
Cincinnati Riverboat Gamblers- George Brett League (league defunct)
Lifetime record 2214-1674 (.569)
24 seasons, 16 postseasons, 8 LCS titles, 7 WS titles
Pittsburgh Plunderers- Mike Schmidt League (original owner)
1st NL: 1955, 56, 58, 59, 66, 68, 72, 73, 82, 84, 86, 87, 88, 00, 01, 02,
04, 05, 06, 22
NL Wildcard: 1952, 53, 54, 57, 67, 69, 70, 71, 74, 83, 85, 03, 07, 18, 19,
20, 21
NL Champs: 1954, 55, 56, 57, 58, 67, 68, 71, 72, 73, 74, 82, 85, 87, 01,
02, 03, 05, 06, 18, 19, 20, 22
WS Champs: 1955, 56, 57, 67, 71, 72, 73, 82, 85, 87, 01, 02, 05, 06, 18,
20, 21
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tm4559
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 08:20 PM |
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GODDAMN DAVE MILLS!
(THIS IS A GREAT DAY)
((DAVE HAVE YOU VISITED HUGTOWNE?))
[Edited on 7-22-2010 by tm4559]
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max_fischer
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 08:20 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tm4559
man, jesus. just say the words. "i was jacking off." nobody will die.
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Missed you Tim. How've you been?
Detroit Dodecahedrons, Oscar Gamble League
1962-1997, overall record 3597-2236, averaging 99 wins/season
Best record: 133-29 (1976)
AL Wild Cards: 1969, 1972, 1975, 1988, 1992
AL Division Champions: 1970, 1971, 1973, 1974, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1990, 1993, 1995
AL Champions: 1972, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1990, 1995
World Series Champions: 1972, 1977, 1978, 1979
One no-hitter by OGL Hall-of-Famer Grandma Moses in 1970 and one in 1976
One playoff-clinching no-hitter in Game 162 by Bessie Lee Johnson in 1972; she threw another no-no in 1976 and one in 1977
Blanche Bouchard throws a no-hitter in 1977
Sen. Benjamin Wade throws a no-hitter in 1991
13 straight postseason appearances (1969-1981)
Milwaukee Beekeepers, Fred Lynn League
1956-1970, overall record: 1,523-889, averaging 101 wins/season.
Best record: 128-34 (1967)
NL Wild Cards: 1960
NL Division Champions: 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970
NL Champions: 1960, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1968, 1969, 1970
World Series Champions: 1960, 1965, 1966, 1970
One no-hitter and one perfect game by Dennis Hernandez in 1956
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tm4559
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 08:22 PM |
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Everything is cool as can be dave.
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Hamilton2
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 08:26 PM |
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It is automated enough to be functional, yes.
-J
Philadelphia Hamiltonians (Catfish Hunter League)
Washington Hamiltonians (Vince Coleman League)
Brooklyn Hamiltonians (Sandy Amoros League)
New York Hamiltonians (Bob Horner League)
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barterer2002
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 08:29 PM |
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Its actually all automated now Ham The last piece hasn't been tested yet
(resetting free agents to a 500K 1 year contract) but it should be there
and everything else is automatic I believe
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Hamilton2
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 08:34 PM |
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sweet
-J
Philadelphia Hamiltonians (Catfish Hunter League)
Washington Hamiltonians (Vince Coleman League)
Brooklyn Hamiltonians (Sandy Amoros League)
New York Hamiltonians (Bob Horner League)
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max_fischer
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 08:35 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tm4559
((DAVE HAVE YOU VISITED HUGTOWNE?))
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Just signed up now.
Detroit Dodecahedrons, Oscar Gamble League
1962-1997, overall record 3597-2236, averaging 99 wins/season
Best record: 133-29 (1976)
AL Wild Cards: 1969, 1972, 1975, 1988, 1992
AL Division Champions: 1970, 1971, 1973, 1974, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1990, 1993, 1995
AL Champions: 1972, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1990, 1995
World Series Champions: 1972, 1977, 1978, 1979
One no-hitter by OGL Hall-of-Famer Grandma Moses in 1970 and one in 1976
One playoff-clinching no-hitter in Game 162 by Bessie Lee Johnson in 1972; she threw another no-no in 1976 and one in 1977
Blanche Bouchard throws a no-hitter in 1977
Sen. Benjamin Wade throws a no-hitter in 1991
13 straight postseason appearances (1969-1981)
Milwaukee Beekeepers, Fred Lynn League
1956-1970, overall record: 1,523-889, averaging 101 wins/season.
Best record: 128-34 (1967)
NL Wild Cards: 1960
NL Division Champions: 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970
NL Champions: 1960, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1968, 1969, 1970
World Series Champions: 1960, 1965, 1966, 1970
One no-hitter and one perfect game by Dennis Hernandez in 1956
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thatrogue
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 09:01 PM |
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Why don't we bring over teams from defunct leagues (OGL, USL, MVL, etc.)
instead of going through a 1950 draft?
I am all for 20 CPs and no lottery. I like themes, but would prefer to be
able to save my renames for either really good or really bad players. I
hate having to rename the truly mediocre types that I bring to the maor
leagues.
 Pittsburgh Monarchs-GNL:Exp.2001; 22 Playoffs; Titles:'10-'12,'16,'30,'32,'48,'50,'52
 Pittsburgh Paladins-EAL: Replacement 1969; Playoffs '78,'79,'81,'83-'85; Titles '82, '86
 Washington DC Metropolitans-TSL: Replace'74; Playoffs:'78-'80,'81,'84-'86,'88-'92; Titles:'82,'83,'87
 New York Monarchs-OGL: Expansion 2000; Playoffs:'09,'11,'12,'33,'35,'38,'55; Titles: '07
New York Yankees-MVL: Replacement 1980; Playoffs 1981; Titles: 1980; (League Disbanded 1984)
New York Technopolitans-OVL: Founder 1950; Playoffs:'55-'57, '59, '60, '62; Titles:'58, '61, '63
 New York Technopolitans-HRBL: Founder '50; Playoffs:'51,'52,'57-'59,'62,'64,'65; Titles:'54-'56,'66
 New York Technopolitans-USL: Expansion 1995 (League Disbanded 2009)
 Baltimore Monarchs-RKL: Replacement 1956, Playoffs: 1963 (Retired 1964)
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Smocko
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 09:45 PM |
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(We can port teams now? I'd keep my team. Can I keep my team?)
MAXIMUM HUGS MAX
Cleveland Riflemen, Oscar Gamble League (2005-2062) Pretty good, all in all. Hugs to everyone.
OGL Hall of Fame - Major General John B. Gordon, John Brown, Thaddeus Stevens, Chuck D, Clara Barton, Tony Reali, Lt. General James Longstreet, Bernie Brewer, Sachin Tendulkar, Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase, "The Art of War", by Jomini, Robert A. Toombs, President Abraham Lincoln, The Founder, Abner Doubleday!, Marvin Martian, Brigadier General Stand Watie, General William Tecumseh Sherman
Riflemen Team Page
AL Wild Card - 1966, 1967, 1971, 1983, 1989, 1990, 2002, 2015, 2028, 2031, 2032, 2034, 2053, 2057, 2059, 2060
AL Champions - 1964, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2027, 2029, 2030, 2036, 2037, 2038, 2039, 2040, 2054, 2055, 2056, 2058, 2061
AL Pennant - 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1985, 1987, 1988, 1989, 2004, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2028, 2029, 2030, 2031, 2039, 2054, 2055, 2056, 2057, 2059, 2060
World Champions - 1968, 1970, 1971, 1985, 1987, 2004, 2012, 2013, 2030, 2031, 2039, 2054, 2056, 2057, 2059, 2060
| Quote: | Originally posted by Admin
If you're not okay with the trades, please ask Smocko to reverse them, he seems to have all the passwords to do this.
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dirtdevil
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 09:48 PM |
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i'd just as soon start from scratch, myself. i'm also unsure that tyson
will fold the ogl rather than restock with new owners. if it doesn't
fold, we won't be able to take our teams with us anyway.
St. Louis Gashouse Gang- Carl Yastrzemski League (1951 expansion)
1st NL: 1952, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 63, 64, 65, 66, 68, 69, 81, 82,
83, 84
NL Wildcard: 1961, 62, 67, 79
NL Champs: 1952, 54, 56, 57, 59, 64, 65, 68, 69, 83, 84
WS Champs: 1954, 56, 57, 68, 69, 84
Washington Boondoggles- Harmon Killebrew League (retired)
Lifetime record: 2486-1564 (.614)
25 seasons, 16 post-seasons, 7 LCS titles, 3 WS titles
Cincinnati Riverboat Gamblers- George Brett League (league defunct)
Lifetime record 2214-1674 (.569)
24 seasons, 16 postseasons, 8 LCS titles, 7 WS titles
Pittsburgh Plunderers- Mike Schmidt League (original owner)
1st NL: 1955, 56, 58, 59, 66, 68, 72, 73, 82, 84, 86, 87, 88, 00, 01, 02,
04, 05, 06, 22
NL Wildcard: 1952, 53, 54, 57, 67, 69, 70, 71, 74, 83, 85, 03, 07, 18, 19,
20, 21
NL Champs: 1954, 55, 56, 57, 58, 67, 68, 71, 72, 73, 74, 82, 85, 87, 01,
02, 03, 05, 06, 18, 19, 20, 22
WS Champs: 1955, 56, 57, 67, 71, 72, 73, 82, 85, 87, 01, 02, 05, 06, 18,
20, 21
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thatrogue
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 09:54 PM |
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(Of course you'd rather start fresh. Your team is near the end of its
run.)
I thought that Tyson had a rule that when leagues have less then 50% of the
current owners returning, without having identified replacements, the
league becomes defunct.
((Yes Dan, we can port teams whenever a league folds.))
Pittsburgh Monarchs-GNL:Exp.2001; 22 Playoffs; Titles:'10-'12,'16,'30,'32,'48,'50,'52
Pittsburgh Paladins-EAL: Replacement 1969; Playoffs '78,'79,'81,'83-'85; Titles '82, '86
Washington DC Metropolitans-TSL: Replace'74; Playoffs:'78-'80,'81,'84-'86,'88-'92; Titles:'82,'83,'87
New York Monarchs-OGL: Expansion 2000; Playoffs:'09,'11,'12,'33,'35,'38,'55; Titles: '07
New York Yankees-MVL: Replacement 1980; Playoffs 1981; Titles: 1980; (League Disbanded 1984)
New York Technopolitans-OVL: Founder 1950; Playoffs:'55-'57, '59, '60, '62; Titles:'58, '61, '63
New York Technopolitans-HRBL: Founder '50; Playoffs:'51,'52,'57-'59,'62,'64,'65; Titles:'54-'56,'66
New York Technopolitans-USL: Expansion 1995 (League Disbanded 2009)
Baltimore Monarchs-RKL: Replacement 1956, Playoffs: 1963 (Retired 1964)
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thatrogue
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 09:57 PM |
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(((And Hugs to Max. Who knew you'd dig out from under the ashes and
rubble of the OGL...lol.)))
Pittsburgh Monarchs-GNL:Exp.2001; 22 Playoffs; Titles:'10-'12,'16,'30,'32,'48,'50,'52
Pittsburgh Paladins-EAL: Replacement 1969; Playoffs '78,'79,'81,'83-'85; Titles '82, '86
Washington DC Metropolitans-TSL: Replace'74; Playoffs:'78-'80,'81,'84-'86,'88-'92; Titles:'82,'83,'87
New York Monarchs-OGL: Expansion 2000; Playoffs:'09,'11,'12,'33,'35,'38,'55; Titles: '07
New York Yankees-MVL: Replacement 1980; Playoffs 1981; Titles: 1980; (League Disbanded 1984)
New York Technopolitans-OVL: Founder 1950; Playoffs:'55-'57, '59, '60, '62; Titles:'58, '61, '63
New York Technopolitans-HRBL: Founder '50; Playoffs:'51,'52,'57-'59,'62,'64,'65; Titles:'54-'56,'66
New York Technopolitans-USL: Expansion 1995 (League Disbanded 2009)
Baltimore Monarchs-RKL: Replacement 1956, Playoffs: 1963 (Retired 1964)
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dirtdevil
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 10:02 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by thatrogue
(Of course you'd rather start fresh. Your team is near the end of its
run.) |
you're right. with 1/10 pitchers and 3 lineup bats being 32+ we're
really going to suck in 5-7 years.
St. Louis Gashouse Gang- Carl Yastrzemski League (1951 expansion)
1st NL: 1952, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 63, 64, 65, 66, 68, 69, 81, 82,
83, 84
NL Wildcard: 1961, 62, 67, 79
NL Champs: 1952, 54, 56, 57, 59, 64, 65, 68, 69, 83, 84
WS Champs: 1954, 56, 57, 68, 69, 84
Washington Boondoggles- Harmon Killebrew League (retired)
Lifetime record: 2486-1564 (.614)
25 seasons, 16 post-seasons, 7 LCS titles, 3 WS titles
Cincinnati Riverboat Gamblers- George Brett League (league defunct)
Lifetime record 2214-1674 (.569)
24 seasons, 16 postseasons, 8 LCS titles, 7 WS titles
Pittsburgh Plunderers- Mike Schmidt League (original owner)
1st NL: 1955, 56, 58, 59, 66, 68, 72, 73, 82, 84, 86, 87, 88, 00, 01, 02,
04, 05, 06, 22
NL Wildcard: 1952, 53, 54, 57, 67, 69, 70, 71, 74, 83, 85, 03, 07, 18, 19,
20, 21
NL Champs: 1954, 55, 56, 57, 58, 67, 68, 71, 72, 73, 74, 82, 85, 87, 01,
02, 03, 05, 06, 18, 19, 20, 22
WS Champs: 1955, 56, 57, 67, 71, 72, 73, 82, 85, 87, 01, 02, 05, 06, 18,
20, 21
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Faceman
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 10:19 PM |
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start fresh - we need a clean break. There is a general excitement you get
with a fresh set of players, I don't need someone else's garbage.
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thatrogue
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 10:24 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dirtdevil
| Quote: | Originally posted by thatrogue
(Of course you'd rather start fresh. Your team is near the end of its
run.) |
you're right. with 1/10 pitchers and 3 lineup bats being 32+ we're
really going to suck in 5-7 years. |
The league is not
defunct until the current term expires in seven seasons.
Pittsburgh Monarchs-GNL:Exp.2001; 22 Playoffs; Titles:'10-'12,'16,'30,'32,'48,'50,'52
Pittsburgh Paladins-EAL: Replacement 1969; Playoffs '78,'79,'81,'83-'85; Titles '82, '86
Washington DC Metropolitans-TSL: Replace'74; Playoffs:'78-'80,'81,'84-'86,'88-'92; Titles:'82,'83,'87
New York Monarchs-OGL: Expansion 2000; Playoffs:'09,'11,'12,'33,'35,'38,'55; Titles: '07
New York Yankees-MVL: Replacement 1980; Playoffs 1981; Titles: 1980; (League Disbanded 1984)
New York Technopolitans-OVL: Founder 1950; Playoffs:'55-'57, '59, '60, '62; Titles:'58, '61, '63
New York Technopolitans-HRBL: Founder '50; Playoffs:'51,'52,'57-'59,'62,'64,'65; Titles:'54-'56,'66
New York Technopolitans-USL: Expansion 1995 (League Disbanded 2009)
Baltimore Monarchs-RKL: Replacement 1956, Playoffs: 1963 (Retired 1964)
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tm4559
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 10:47 PM |
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yeah, his team be ugly then (ALSO IT PLENTY UGLY NOW I DON'T CARE IF IT DO
BEAT MY TEAM THIS SEASON IT IS A DISGUSTING PILE OF TURD BUILT )N THE BACK
OF A FUCKED UP LOTTERY AND A LOT OF ASSHOLE TRADING AWAY
STUFF FOR PICKS. ASSHOLE). i am all for using existing teams, just
so i wouldn't have to rank that dumb by position draft. but it is not
something i really care about, i can get daniel to rank them for me,
probably.
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dirtdevil
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 10:56 PM |
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have we really got that long?? christ. why don't we just get tyson (that
seems weird to be able to type that now) to credit us what's left toward a
new league and get it over with. they can fill the ogl with new recruits
or he can fold it up and give whoever's left a credit for somewhere
else.
(i prefer to start fresh because i actually kind of enjoy the initial
drafts and i haven't done one since the MSL started about 50 seasons
ago.)
((also, i don't know how the salary cap would handle transferred teams.
presumably there's some system to set the salaries of 28+ players during
the initial draft but imported teams might either screw up the system or
end up 20mil over the cap.))
St. Louis Gashouse Gang- Carl Yastrzemski League (1951 expansion)
1st NL: 1952, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 63, 64, 65, 66, 68, 69, 81, 82,
83, 84
NL Wildcard: 1961, 62, 67, 79
NL Champs: 1952, 54, 56, 57, 59, 64, 65, 68, 69, 83, 84
WS Champs: 1954, 56, 57, 68, 69, 84
Washington Boondoggles- Harmon Killebrew League (retired)
Lifetime record: 2486-1564 (.614)
25 seasons, 16 post-seasons, 7 LCS titles, 3 WS titles
Cincinnati Riverboat Gamblers- George Brett League (league defunct)
Lifetime record 2214-1674 (.569)
24 seasons, 16 postseasons, 8 LCS titles, 7 WS titles
Pittsburgh Plunderers- Mike Schmidt League (original owner)
1st NL: 1955, 56, 58, 59, 66, 68, 72, 73, 82, 84, 86, 87, 88, 00, 01, 02,
04, 05, 06, 22
NL Wildcard: 1952, 53, 54, 57, 67, 69, 70, 71, 74, 83, 85, 03, 07, 18, 19,
20, 21
NL Champs: 1954, 55, 56, 57, 58, 67, 68, 71, 72, 73, 74, 82, 85, 87, 01,
02, 03, 05, 06, 18, 19, 20, 22
WS Champs: 1955, 56, 57, 67, 71, 72, 73, 82, 85, 87, 01, 02, 05, 06, 18,
20, 21
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tm4559
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| posted on 7-22-2010 at 10:58 PM |
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how the hell did you get invited into my league?
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