There has been an abuse report on a recent trade:
Trade #1544684 has been completed between the Baltimore Orange Sox and the Chicago Purple Sox. The Chicago Purple Sox receive Ed Bowers, Perry Harris, Draft Pick - 2041 Round 2 (BAL), Draft Pick - 2040 Round 1 (BAL) from the Baltimore Orange Sox in exchange for Alex Jackson.
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Allow me to make a statement about this trade.
First, some facts. I initiated this trade, and it was accepted as-is. There were no negotiations or counter-offers.
I never had any personal communication with Chicago about the trade. I suppose you have nothing more than my word on that, but there it is.
I don't know what the opinion is of whoever filed this complaint, but even at the time I made the offer I felt that I was overpaying to get Jackson. Indeed I almost cancelled the deal before it was accepted in order to re-work it -- mainly to take Perry Harris out of it. But I was busy, and furthermore, wanted the deal done, so I left it as is.
Here is my personal perspective on why I proposed this as I did. I have been rebuilding for more than a decade. My core is getting old, and it was only last year that my team was in the hunt for the postseason. I want to try to make something out of this before my core begins to decline, and I'm willing to sell off the immediate future in order to get some key pieces. I feel my most pressing need is in the bullpen. I had, prior to this trade, only one RP rated 80 overall or above, and I feel that a solid bullpen requires at least two.
In searching for someone to target I examined the rosters of every sub-.500 team in this league. I didn't bother with anyone in the hunt or anyone under 30. That didn't leave a whole lot of names. Jackson was the best among all of them -- a legitimate top-of-the-line closer. The other guys available weren't much better than what I already had. Granted, Jackson is getting old and will decline soon, but I figure he can be effective for two or three seasons, and what I'm looking to do at this point, basically, is trade first-round picks and whatever other junk I may have to get stop-gap players to try to stay competitive until my core declines.
Supply-and-demand says, to me, that if the supply is low, the price is high, so I calculated that I would need to give up a fair bit. And frankly, I don't think I gave up as much as it may seem.
Ed Bowers is worthless to me, because I have better RPs. If I hadn't included him in the deal, I would have waived him to make room on the roster, so I figured why not put him in the deal?
Perry Harris is, in my opinion, similarly worthless to me. At 100/56, he won't be very effective, and at OS 28 he's not going to improve much. If he pitches full-time, his control might reach 60, which I think would be the minimum for effectiveness, but I kind of doubt that will happen. Regardless, I can't give him any innings, so again -- from my perspective -- he's a throw-in.
A second-round pick on a competitive team is pretty worthless too, especially with the drafts we've had around here lately. Not that I haven't snagged a gem or two with a late second-rounder, but you don't generally get much that deep into the draft.
As I see it, the only thing of any real value I gave up in this trade was the 1st round pick. In a league with more talent, I would probably not deal a first-rounder solely for a player about to decline, but the supply of good talent in this league is, in my opinion, pretty low. So the basic idea was to acquire Jackson for a first-round pick and toss in some incentives to make sure it got done. In retrospect I wish I had taken either Harris or the 2nd round pick out of the deal so I could use them as incentives somewhere else. But I didn't, and I can live with that.
I would add, lastly, that this deal looks a lot worse than it might otherwise because my team is playing so poorly. I didn't expect to start 11-23 after winning 97 games last year. I figured I was a player or two away from the post and I was willing to pay to get them. And I still am, because I can't believe my team is really this bad.
So, that was my reasoning. Probably not the best trade I've ever proposed, but there was nothing nefarious about it. I won't argue whatever decision you guys make about it, but if it is overturned, I would probably offer a similar deal with less incentives.
First, some facts. I initiated this trade, and it was accepted as-is. There were no negotiations or counter-offers.
I never had any personal communication with Chicago about the trade. I suppose you have nothing more than my word on that, but there it is.
I don't know what the opinion is of whoever filed this complaint, but even at the time I made the offer I felt that I was overpaying to get Jackson. Indeed I almost cancelled the deal before it was accepted in order to re-work it -- mainly to take Perry Harris out of it. But I was busy, and furthermore, wanted the deal done, so I left it as is.
Here is my personal perspective on why I proposed this as I did. I have been rebuilding for more than a decade. My core is getting old, and it was only last year that my team was in the hunt for the postseason. I want to try to make something out of this before my core begins to decline, and I'm willing to sell off the immediate future in order to get some key pieces. I feel my most pressing need is in the bullpen. I had, prior to this trade, only one RP rated 80 overall or above, and I feel that a solid bullpen requires at least two.
In searching for someone to target I examined the rosters of every sub-.500 team in this league. I didn't bother with anyone in the hunt or anyone under 30. That didn't leave a whole lot of names. Jackson was the best among all of them -- a legitimate top-of-the-line closer. The other guys available weren't much better than what I already had. Granted, Jackson is getting old and will decline soon, but I figure he can be effective for two or three seasons, and what I'm looking to do at this point, basically, is trade first-round picks and whatever other junk I may have to get stop-gap players to try to stay competitive until my core declines.
Supply-and-demand says, to me, that if the supply is low, the price is high, so I calculated that I would need to give up a fair bit. And frankly, I don't think I gave up as much as it may seem.
Ed Bowers is worthless to me, because I have better RPs. If I hadn't included him in the deal, I would have waived him to make room on the roster, so I figured why not put him in the deal?
Perry Harris is, in my opinion, similarly worthless to me. At 100/56, he won't be very effective, and at OS 28 he's not going to improve much. If he pitches full-time, his control might reach 60, which I think would be the minimum for effectiveness, but I kind of doubt that will happen. Regardless, I can't give him any innings, so again -- from my perspective -- he's a throw-in.
A second-round pick on a competitive team is pretty worthless too, especially with the drafts we've had around here lately. Not that I haven't snagged a gem or two with a late second-rounder, but you don't generally get much that deep into the draft.
As I see it, the only thing of any real value I gave up in this trade was the 1st round pick. In a league with more talent, I would probably not deal a first-rounder solely for a player about to decline, but the supply of good talent in this league is, in my opinion, pretty low. So the basic idea was to acquire Jackson for a first-round pick and toss in some incentives to make sure it got done. In retrospect I wish I had taken either Harris or the 2nd round pick out of the deal so I could use them as incentives somewhere else. But I didn't, and I can live with that.
I would add, lastly, that this deal looks a lot worse than it might otherwise because my team is playing so poorly. I didn't expect to start 11-23 after winning 97 games last year. I figured I was a player or two away from the post and I was willing to pay to get them. And I still am, because I can't believe my team is really this bad.
So, that was my reasoning. Probably not the best trade I've ever proposed, but there was nothing nefarious about it. I won't argue whatever decision you guys make about it, but if it is overturned, I would probably offer a similar deal with less incentives.
Baltimore Orange Sox, Cy Young League
Owner Since 2008
World Champions: 1995, 96, 97, 2019, 20, 21, 22, 23, 25, 40
Owner Since 2008
World Champions: 1995, 96, 97, 2019, 20, 21, 22, 23, 25, 40