MR 600 2000 DARREN TUCKER

[bobwickman139]

DARREN TUCKER IS THE ALL TIME LEADER IN HOMERUNS (600) AND (2000) RBI. HE IS CLOSING IN ON MOST HITS AND RUNS OF ALL TIME. TO OWN TWO OF THE BIG BOY STAT RECORDS IS INCREDIBLE. WHAT A CAREER ARGUABLY THE BEST OF ALL TIME!!

[WillyD]

He won't be the best even if he holds every record.

One of the best sure, but Big Mo is #1

[bobwickman139]

I DUNNO MAN. I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY U ARE SAYING THAT. HOW CAN U NOT BE THE BEST BYET HOLD EVERY BATTING STATISTICAL STAT AND TOP 10 IN SB? PLUS HE IS UP THERE IN ALL TIME BATTING AVG. DUDE IS A MONSTER. ONLY MEMBER OF 600 HR CLUB ANDDDDD HES A 600 600 GUY. LIKE THAT IS UNHEARD OF. NO ONE IS SNIFFING THAT RECORD FOR ALONG TIME. AMYWAY IM JUST TALKING NUMBERS MAN

[WillyD]

I DUNNO MAN. I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY U ARE SAYING THAT. HOW CAN U NOT BE THE BEST BYET HOLD EVERY BATTING STATISTICAL STAT AND TOP 10 IN SB? PLUS HE IS UP THERE IN ALL TIME BATTING AVG. DUDE IS A MONSTER. ONLY MEMBER OF 600 HR CLUB ANDDDDD HES A 600 600 GUY. LIKE THAT IS UNHEARD OF. NO ONE IS SNIFFING THAT RECORD FOR ALONG TIME. AMYWAY IM JUST TALKING NUMBERS MAN

That's all totals. He just played longer (more at bats, note games). Was Pete Rose a better hitter than Ted Williams because he had a higher career total? What about the rate stats? The only rate stat Tucker is close to Cabrera is in SLG%. Mo has him beat easily in OBP, BA, and is better by a good margin in OPS. Cabrera also had a better SB% (Tucker was only successful 65% on his attempts...not that great). Defense, Mo ws a GG 2nd baseman, Tucker a poor defensive 1st baseman. Playoffs? Mo was great, Tucker struggled.

Oh, Cabrera had 5 MVPs, Tucker just 1.

[bobwickman139]

ITS MORE ABS BUT NOT THAT SIGNIFICANTLY MORE

[WillyD]

ITS MORE ABS BUT NOT THAT SIGNIFICANTLY MORE

It's more and more as you try to get him more totals. Meanwhile his rate stats go down and down at the same time widening the gap in Cabrera's favor.

[WillyD]

Bob, Darren Tucker sucks Mo Cabrera's ballz all day and all night.

[Hamilton2]

So ... I'm an outsider here, with no vested interest either way.

Mo Cabrera - career slash line of .327/.390/.559 (.949 OPS), had 3,562 career hits (top in the league), including 584 HR's, 1,956 RBI's, 2,164 runs scored

Darren Tucker - career slash line of .310/.375/.546 (.921 OPS), has 3,468 hits, his 605 HR's and 2,033 RBI's are both top in league history, 2,076 runs scored.

I'm not the least bit sure how to insert charts and things ... both players are quite impressive.

One of the things that I like to measure is Runs Created/Game. It isn't a very sophisticated measure, but it gives some blend of rate and counting stats that gives some context for a player's production. Here is the formula:

(Runs + RBI's - HR's)/[(AB's + BB's)/4]

This formula takes the total runs that are generated by the player in question and assumes 4 plate appearances per game played. This helps to adjust for pinch hit opportunities or part-time play as players age and become platoon players.

Mo Cabrera (2,164 runs + 1,956 RBI's - 584 HR's) = 3,536 runs created
Divided by (10,883 AB's + 1,121 BB's)/4 = 3001 games
Results in an indicated 1.178 runs created per game

Darren Tucker (2,076 runs + 2,033 RBI's - 605 HR's) = 3,504 runs created
Divided by (11,183 AB's + 1,153 BB's)/4 = 3084 games
Results in an indicated 1.136 runs created per game

Basically, the difference between Cabrera and Tucker is .042 runs per game, or 1 full run every 23.75 games. During their 10 prime years, Cabrera averaged 139 games per season vs. Tucker's 158 games per season. So, during the 139 games that they both played Cabrera was worth 5.85 more runs than Tucker. There are also 19 games that Tucker played while Cabrera's backup was out there, which is worth something. Calculating a replacement level runs created/game is difficult, but here we go:

I exported all of the hitter data for the current season into excel and ran a straight average league-wide of runs created/game for the "league average player" using my formula above. The result is a runs created per game of .881 for the average league hitter. This is a difference of .256 runs per game less than Tucker produces. So ... in the 19 games that Tucker played more than Cabrera due to their health, Tucker produced 4.85 more runs than Cabrera's league-average replacement.

So ... by my calculations ... Cabrera vs. Tucker comes down to a single extra run per season in Cabrera's favor.

You're welcome!!!!!

[swope81]

Bob, Darren Tucker sucks Mo Cabrera's ballz all day and all night.

LOL

And I totally agree.


And Darren Tucker was a 'Swope developed' guy. That should say something if I still think Cabrera was the better player.

[swope81]

So ... I'm an outsider here, with no vested interest either way.

Mo Cabrera - career slash line of .327/.390/.559 (.949 OPS), had 3,562 career hits (top in the league), including 584 HR's, 1,956 RBI's, 2,164 runs scored

Darren Tucker - career slash line of .310/.375/.546 (.921 OPS), has 3,468 hits, his 605 HR's and 2,033 RBI's are both top in league history, 2,076 runs scored.

I'm not the least bit sure how to insert charts and things ... both players are quite impressive.

One of the things that I like to measure is Runs Created/Game. It isn't a very sophisticated measure, but it gives some blend of rate and counting stats that gives some context for a player's production. Here is the formula:

(Runs + RBI's - HR's)/[(AB's + BB's)/4]

This formula takes the total runs that are generated by the player in question and assumes 4 plate appearances per game played. This helps to adjust for pinch hit opportunities or part-time play as players age and become platoon players.

Mo Cabrera (2,164 runs + 1,956 RBI's - 584 HR's) = 3,536 runs created
Divided by (10,883 AB's + 1,121 BB's)/4 = 3001 games
Results in an indicated 1.178 runs created per game

Darren Tucker (2,076 runs + 2,033 RBI's - 605 HR's) = 3,504 runs created
Divided by (11,183 AB's + 1,153 BB's)/4 = 3084 games
Results in an indicated 1.136 runs created per game

Basically, the difference between Cabrera and Tucker is .042 runs per game, or 1 full run every 23.75 games. During their 10 prime years, Cabrera averaged 139 games per season vs. Tucker's 158 games per season. So, during the 139 games that they both played Cabrera was worth 5.85 more runs than Tucker. There are also 19 games that Tucker played while Cabrera's backup was out there, which is worth something. Calculating a replacement level runs created/game is difficult, but here we go:

I exported all of the hitter data for the current season into excel and ran a straight average league-wide of runs created/game for the "league average player" using my formula above. The result is a runs created per game of .881 for the average league hitter. This is a difference of .256 runs per game less than Tucker produces. So ... in the 19 games that Tucker played more than Cabrera due to their health, Tucker produced 4.85 more runs than Cabrera's league-average replacement.

So ... by my calculations ... Cabrera vs. Tucker comes down to a single extra run per season in Cabrera's favor.

You're welcome!!!!!

Great work Hamilton. And thank you for sharing/doing this.