HOF Results

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acnunnally
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HOF Results

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The ballots are in, and the HOF inductees for this cohort are:

Joe Koster, 2B, BAL
http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=7180612
MVP, 10 x AS, 406 HR, 1639 RBI, 1652 R, 2959 H, .847/.359/.488/.294

Jess Barkley, 3B, NYA
http://www.simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=7385340
MVP, 9 x AS, 3 x GG, 408 HR, 1514 RBI, 2666 H, .836/.354/.482/.290

Barnes, Joe, 2B, PIT
http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=7180636
2 x MVP, 13 x AS, 3 x HR LL, 2 x OPS LL, 460 HR, 1786 RBI, 3008 H, .835/.349/.486/.286

Jake Stahl, 3B, BOS/KC
http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=8174688
MVP, 11 x AS, 3 x GG, 367 HR, 1552 RBI, 484 2B, 2803 H, .879/.378/.501/.308

Jake Fanok, LF, CHN
http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=8483647
ROY, 11 x AS, SB LL, 2861 H, 1616 R, 1460 RBI, 643 SB, .787/.349/.437/.280

Jack Bashang, SP, STL/MIN
http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=8174661
4 x CYA, 8 x AS, 2 x K LL, 5 x 20 W's, 234-137, 2873 K, 3.13 ERA, 1.19 WHIP

The full results are:

Player - Vote % (Prior Vote %)
Ardizoia - 0%
Barkleys - 100%
Barnes - 100%
Bashang - 100%
Bettendorf - 12.5% (50%, 60%)
Blue, Bobby - 0%
Bowie - 37.5% (50%, 60%)
Brink - 62.5%
Charleston - 62.5%
Delsing - 25%
Fanok - 75%
Harlow - 12.5% (37.5%, 60%)
Karger - 12.5%
Koster - 100%
Leonard - 62.5%
Mangan - 50% (50%, 60%)
Manon - 37.5%
Meister - 0% (40%)
Reynolds - 0% (40%)
Speaker - 25%
Stahl - 75%
Stovey - 50%
Tricks - 12.5%
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acnunnally
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Re: HOF Results

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There were a few significant snubs in my opinion:

Dutch Leonard, SP, BOS/KC
http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=7620585
CYA, 5 x AS, ERA LL, WHIP LL, 223-147, 3.13 ERA, 1.17 WHIP

I think this was the worst. Although their career statistics are essentially identical, Bashang appeared on 100% of ballots, while Leonard fell one vote short with only 62.5%. Leonard was actually the slightly better pitcher by objective measures (3.13 ERA, 1.17 WHIP to Bashang's 3.13 ERA and 1.19 WHIP). Bashang had 4 CYA to Leonard's 1, but their career win totals were also nearly identical (234 for Leonard to 243 for Bashang).

Bill Brink, C, CHA/CIN
http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=8174679
10 x AS, 3 x GG, BA LL, 339 HR, 1234 RBI, .843/.355/.488/.290

If Leonard is the worst, then Brink, who was on the brink, one vote short at 62.5%, was a close second. He was a 10 x All-Star, 3 x Gold Glove winner with 339 HR and a career .843 OPS...at CATCHER (HOF averages for C are 338 HR, .845 OPS). He is a no-brainer, folks.

Mark Charleston, 1B, PIT/BOS/BRO
http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=8174666
MVP, ROY, 8 x AS, BA LL, 2 x OBP LL, OPS LL, SLG LL, 2426 H, 1504 R, 387 SB, .878/.389/.489/.311

Charleston also clocked in one vote short at 62.5%. What's not to like here? The guy was an MVP and 8 x All-Star and had an .878 career OPS on a .311 career average, which are better than HOF averages of.870 OPS and .299 BA (prior to these inductions) and, more pertinently, the .814 and .285 averages for players 2000-2004 previously elected.

Jackie Bowie, SP, PHI/CHA
http://simdynasty.com/player.jsp?id=4922863
3 x CYA, 5 x AS, 2 x ERA LL, 2 x WHIP LL, 219-189, 3.75 ERA, 1.24 WHIP

I'm going to call Bowie a snub as well. He garnered only 37.5% of the vote, which is unjustifiably low when you consider:
  • He won 3 CYA's in 4 years
  • He boasted a 7-year peak AVERAGING 20 W, 2.72 ERA, and 1.10 WHIP
  • He had 4 consecutive (and 5 of 6) 20-W campaigns in that stretch
  • He led the league twice each in W, ERA, and WHIP over the same span
His line (219-189, 3.75 ERA, 1.24 WHIP) is not as impressive at first glance, but his rate stats were definitely hurt by his first 6 full seasons (ages 21-26, during which he was steadily improving), but not so much that his career numbers are not still solid.
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Michael1
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Re: HOF Results

Post by Michael1 »

As I pointed out in a previous post. When I have numerous chances at least 4 to consider a player I take the no brainers and then the second choices. I realize the next ballot will have better players on it as well. Catch up is always the hardest time for Hall of Fame. Keep the worthies on for a couple of extra ballots if you need to.
Jonathan8
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Re: HOF Results

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Thanks for handling the HOF !
GM33
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Re: HOF Results

Post by GM33 »

Yes thanks for managing all this - certainly not an insignificant amount a work. I agree with and voted for the 4 “snubs” and hopefully they’ll make the grade next round.
LTJaeger
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Post by LTJaeger »

The discussion here is great. It points to how the HOF vote adds to the enjoyment of this game, and that we owe our thanks that someone is willing to put in the time to make it happen. So happy to see it happening!
KuwentongPato
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Re: HOF Results

Post by KuwentongPato »

I love the HOF aspect of this game as well and thank you so much for the hard work that you have put into this.
acnunnally
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Re: HOF Results

Post by acnunnally »

Thanks, guys. I enjoy the HOF aspect too, and I think it adds significantly to the richness of the game. Obviously owners naturally will think about consistently winning and winning championships first, but cultivating HOF careers for players and getting to enjoy the analysis and debates around candidates are whole other dimensions. I look forward to trying to keep it up.

In order to avoid "HOF fatigue," I'll wait at least a few weeks before posting the next cohort (which I already have queued up), but I'll try to get us caught up by the off season so that we vote annually on the recently retired candidates. One open question is whether we want to have a waiting period once a player retires in order to allow for perspective and context to his career accomplishments and, if so, how long a waiting period.
Michael1
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Re: HOF Results

Post by Michael1 »

I throw them out there the year of retiring. Some leagues wait one seasons. If you wait to long you forget to post it and your back where you are now. I run a 24 team league HOF where the picking can be one or two or 8. So no good way to do it.
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